Turns out, the ACL is pissed off that Sunrise has decided to back marriage. So, what did they do? Decided to launch a campaign to get them to backflip. Will it work? Let’s look at “One Million Moms” and its campaign to get US retailer JCPenny to drop Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesperson. That failed miserably.
Since I need a break from studying, I decided to go and inflict pain on myself by reading some comments of their post. Here’s one I would like to respond to (I’ve retracted their name - but hey, you people are smart. You can basically do a page search and find it.
Dear Sunrise Team,
Just wanted to let you know that I think your little equality stunt is a joke.
Where did you get the figures that the majority of Australian support same-sex marriage ? Considering that there were thousands of emails sent to parliament from people saying they DON’T want marriage to be redefined I’m interested to know where you get your facts from. Until there is a national referendum on this subject no one knows what most Australian really think.
Why are you pandering to 4% of the population, and why should we rewrite what marriage means to satisfy the whinging of that 4%? There is no discrimination here, the European Court of Human Rights has said this last March that marriage is NOT a human right. No one has the right to marry, a father and daughter cannot marry, a brother and sister cannot marry and they are the opposite sex.
Crying that this is a human right is rubbish, if your human rights are taken away you would be suffering, starving, homeless or tortured. And considering that most same sex attracted people are middle class, working folk who are we kidding when the human rights cry is heard. I bet people living in refugee camps in third world countries would laugh at such a claim.
Do you understand that if same sex marriage is made law children down to Kindergarten will be taught about it, this is what has happened in other places where same sex marriage has come into law. Parents have been refused notice of when such subjects are being taught and they are not allowed to opt their children out of these classes. If you want to talk about rights there are some to discuss, a parents right to teach their children what and when they feel the child is ready. And lets not forget a child’s right to have an innocent childhood not having to be taught from the age of 5 about adult topics way beyond their years. Or their right to have a parent of each gender, Melissa how would you have felt at 12 getting your first period and only having 2 men to talk to about it ? Yes I know all children don’t have both parents but let’s admit that it is the best situation for a child to have isn’t it. It’s been that way since the beginning of time so there must be some wisdom and truth behind it.
Not that I ever watch your show because I think it’s drivel but I will also no longer be watching Channel 7 anymore if this stunt goes ahead. And I will boycott your partners Purina, Accor Hotels, The Coffee Club, Myer and Jetstar.
Just another point of view for you to consider.
Dear Ms XXX,
You seem to like to rewrite history and statistics. You note that only 4% of the population seem to be supporting same-sex marriage, but that is factually incorrect. In actual fact, a large percentage happen to support it. A Daily Telegraph online poll notes 7/10 Australians support same-sex marriage. If you want something a bit more scientific, then we can point to The Age/Nielsen poll that shows 57 percent of Australians support the move - and last time I checked, 57 percent is a majority.
You also note “Considering that there were thousands of emails sent to parliament from people saying they DON’T want marriage to be redefined”. I would love to see that proven by actual statistics, but alas I can’t find any. The nearest I could is an online survey done by the Parliament of Australia - and guess what, the responses show an overwhelming support for same sex marriage. The results show 177,663 supporting same sex marriage, and 98,164 not supporting.
But hey, don’t worry about the facts, right?
You also note it’s not a human right - it’s not discrimination. Yes, you are correct in saying that the European Court of Human Rights reject a claim of two lesbians who claimed that their human rights were violated. The relevant article looked at was Article 12, which states: “Men and women of marriageable age have the right to marry and to found a family, according to the national laws governing the exercise of this right.”
However, saying it is not a human right is not true and possibly a bigoted viewpoint, Ms XXX. Reading this post by Adam Wagner, a barrister who specialises in “public law, human rights and medical law”, he notes that “…the decision in Schalk and Kopf clearly supports the view that the European Convention could include a right for homosexuals to marry.” It has not ruled out that it is NOT a human right as you clearly point out in your comment, in fact apparently it has left it open. The decision basically left it up to states to legislate and to decide.
Also, I do find your comment “And considering that most same sex attracted people are middle class, working folk who are we kidding when the human rights cry is heard” also a bit insensitive. Scratch that, a lot insensitive. Homosexual people can come from anywhere - there are homosexuals in the bush, there are homosexuals in Africa, and there are homosexuals in the city. It is NOT based on what class you happen to be in.
In fact, I might remind you that in many countries in Africa, homosexuality is punishable by life in prison or death. Homosexuals also face discrimination. While you may believe marriage is not a human right, equality under the law is.
But apparently, this is all for the children. You note that it it will be shoved down our kids throats and taught to our kindergartens. Last time I checked, kindergartens don’t deal with issues about terrorism, war, police and government corruption, democracy, how to vote, the political system in Australia or the United States, why the economy is going down the toilet, the carbon tax, religious beliefs, or even why Optus sucks as a mobile operator. It is there to teach children basic math and literacy skills. Not to teach political ideologies, religious beliefs or societal topics. Just basic math and literacy skills.
And under that, if we don’t teach same sex marriage, then you shouldn’t be forcing children to go to religious classes. It should be OPT IN not OPT OUT. If you’re going to a Catholic or religious school, I understand the need to teach religion since you are a religious school. I don’t see the need why a public school automatically assumes that everyone who doesn’t opt out is Christian and have to be put in this class.
Plus, knowing how I treated Religion in Year 7-10, it was pretty much a bludge subject.
You note “Melissa how would you have felt at 12 getting your first period and only having 2 men to talk to about it?” Is that really an issue? I’m sure that they will try and explain it the best way they can, or even simply ask another female like their aunt or grandmother to help them with it. You’re just now grasping at straws.
You also admit that you don’t even WATCH the program. You complain because the ACL is telling you to complain. “I will also no longer be watching Channel 7 anymore if this stunt goes ahead.” Unless you happen to be one of the few Australians who determines the ratings, they don’t really care.
"And I will boycott your partners Purina, Accor Hotels, The Coffee Club, Myer and Jetstar."
You’re only one of probably 30 people. And trust me, you’ll forget that you’re boycotting Myer or Purina.
Marriage is about love, devotion and exclusivity between two people. Plus, the definition of marriage has changed so many times before. Marriage used to be something for power, not love. Marriage used to be racially charged - you were stigmatised if you married a coloured person.
Please at least read up on facts before you spout your hate speech.